In a recent article, The Bitch or The Black?!: The Politics of Division, we examined our national cultural prejudices in the light of settling new history in America: What would happen if we had the first Black president or the first female president? 


We wondered together there if Hillary or Barack would fly or fail.
Today, I want to ask you a different question and have you provide your social and cultural analysis.

Which will come first as President of the United States — a Muslim president or a Native American president?

You must pick one and defend your argument and I chose those examples
for a provocative purpose: Are we more scared of the future familiar or
of a devastated disgraced past?
Do we reach forward as a nation beyond our current terror for satisfaction and satiety or do we pull back into history to restore the connection to the land and sky
that defined the true settlers of America?

Those are your choices.
Please do not change the dynamic of that dyad when you comment.
I realize Muslims today are misunderstood and feared and I also know — through the stinging and delightful conversation on this Urban Semiotic blog — that on many Reservations today, gang life has taken over the childhood ideals and the adult dreams of the original Native American tribes.
Your view on this matter is appreciated and will certainly prove interesting.

49 Comments

  1. As a UK observer – I would say Muslim president will come first.
    I suspect that there are a higher pecentage of them per population and that their birth rate is higher and that a higher percentage of them are upwardly mobile.
    I am prepared to be proven wrong on all accounts.

  2. Hi Nicola!
    That’s an interesting answer. I’m more inclined to say a Native American only because the USA is a Christ Nation first — and it would be easier to abide a Native American into that box than an outright Muslim. The Christian Evangelicals would never vote for a Muslim candidate.
    That said, I do think it would be easier for the USA to get along in The New World Order with a Muslim president leading us.

  3. Muslim, hands down. The Christians in this nation have grown apathetic in many ways and if it comes down to it they are more attached to their stuff than their convictions. I believe we could see a Muslim president soon if people were led to believe that it would be a solution to the current global conflict, which I don’t beleive it would be.

  4. Welcome to Urban Semiotic, mark!
    Isn’t the Christian Godhead too embedded in the history and currency of American to ever abide what some might call “The Terrorist President?”
    I can’t imagine any conservative Christian ever voting for someone who proclaimed “Allah is Most Great” throughout the day as a necessary observance:

    Five times a day a Muslim is bound to perform the Salaah, the fixed ritual of the Islamic prayer – worship. He should properly go to the nearest mosque to offer his prayers together with the whole congregation. Each of the five periods is preceded by the adhaan (or azaan – ezan as it is more commonly called). The muezzin (mu’adh-dhin in Arabic) calls out on each occasion:
    Allaabu Akbar (four times – “Allah is Most Great”).
    Ash’hadu an laa ilaaha illallaah (twice – “I bear witness that there is no god but Allah”).
    Ash’hadu anna Muhammadar-rasulullaah (twice – “I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah”).
    Haya ‘alas-salaah (twice – “Come to prayer”).
    Ilaya ‘alal falaah (twice – “Come to the good;’).
    Allaaku Akbar (twice – “Allah is Most Great”).

    http://www.allaboutturkey.com/pray.htm
    Why don’t you think a Native American president would be first elected?

  5. David,
    I think a Native American President will come first.
    After watching Jesus Camp, I cannot possibly imagine the Christian Right ever voting for a Muslim. I think as long as there are the kinds of racial stereotype and ignorance that surround Muslims, a Muslim will not be elected to the Presidency.
    Also, I think the American nation is far more willing to celebrate Native American culture than Muslim culture. In some states–such as my Oklahoma–there is already a good establishment of Native American festival, art and cultural awareness.

  6. Ms. Emily!
    I would love to see a Native American president with traditional cultural values become our national leader. We would do good to go back and look at who we are as a country and how we got into our current morass of international mistakes.
    A Muslim candidate could not even get a party nomination right now. There’s too much fear and misunderstanding to ever allow that even though having a Muslim lead us would immediately soften our past sins in positive and healing ways across the world.
    I’m not even convinced in a pre-9/11 world a Muslim would ever be elected president. There’s too much hatred and bad blood between Christianity and the Muslim world to ever find a loving common ground.
    The Native American population does have its own internal demons as Travis and Dylan and others have so provocatively proclaimed in our comments for this article:
    http://urbansemiotic.com/2005/05/30/native-american-gangs/
    You have to beat the dead economy and the peer pressure lure of the gangs first to get off the Rez before you can ever begin to hope for the eye of a national spotlight of acceptance. That’s a hard circle of death and violence to break.

  7. Ms. Emily!
    I would love to see a Native American president with traditional cultural values become our national leader. We would do good to go back and look at who we are as a country and how we got into our current morass of international mistakes.
    A Muslim candidate could not even get a party nomination right now. There’s too much fear and misunderstanding to ever allow that even though having a Muslim lead us would immediately soften our past sins in positive and healing ways across the world.
    I’m not even convinced in a pre-9/11 world a Muslim would ever be elected president. There’s too much hatred and bad blood between Christianity and the Muslim world to ever find a loving common ground.
    The Native American population does have its own internal demons as Travis and Dylan and others have so provocatively proclaimed in our comments for this article:
    http://urbansemiotic.com/2005/05/30/native-american-gangs/
    You have to beat the dead economy and the peer pressure lure of the gangs first to get off the Rez before you can ever begin to hope for the eye of a national spotlight of acceptance. That’s a hard circle of death and violence to break.

  8. No chance either of them gets elected in any of our lifetimes. Islam and the world will continue this battle and Islam will lose and eventually be eradicated. The term Native American is a misnomer…almost no one is even over half Native and that percentage will continue to decrease. Anyone knows that either would be a disaster for our nation.

  9. No chance either of them gets elected in any of our lifetimes. Islam and the world will continue this battle and Islam will lose and eventually be eradicated. The term Native American is a misnomer…almost no one is even over half Native and that percentage will continue to decrease. Anyone knows that either would be a disaster for our nation.

  12. David- A Native American will become president first. Materialism and the gold empire is dying out, and like a cornered rat, becomes more violent than terrorism as time moves on. War, is terrorism on a massive scale, killing innocent children and naive soldiers. The inequality of life style between Americans and the rest of the world has brought us terrorism. Eventually a Native American will run on the platform of disbanding the military, the death sentence, and other forms of violence and having the U.S. lead the world in humanitarianism, by taking the billions in war funds to give food, water, clothing and shelter to the world. Moderate life-style countries are not attacked by “terrorists.” Only a person from a non-materially powerful tribe would be credible. This would exclude Christians, Muslims and Jews. If there is such a thing as Karma, what could be more karmically correct that loving the country or “give it back.” Please read Howard Zinn’s 2007 book “A POWER governments cannot suppress.” The power he talks about is “the truth.” Anyone who still believes the democrats are any better than the republicans will see the fallacy in that thinking with many good examples such as the eight years of Clinton-Gore which escalated the war on the poor and downtrodden, both in the U.S. and the world, with bombing in Afganistan, Sudan, Star Wars antimissile program, Waco, the Effective Death Penalty Act etc. We can have no democracy if there is private ownership of natural rescources including land and oil. This was the philosophy of Native Americans who never heard of Plato and the “anti-artist” (except for himself) phlosopher kings we have been using as a model for the past 2,400 years, and 5,600 years before that, when the sky god with horse chariot and iron philosophized that “might is right,” and only looked at the “good life,” side of the picture. People always say, “the older i get the less i know,” but it just seems to be another clever saying that no one really believes. The herd is too easily herded.

  13. David- A Native American will become president first. Materialism and the gold empire is dying out, and like a cornered rat, becomes more violent than terrorism as time moves on. War, is terrorism on a massive scale, killing innocent children and naive soldiers. The inequality of life style between Americans and the rest of the world has brought us terrorism. Eventually a Native American will run on the platform of disbanding the military, the death sentence, and other forms of violence and having the U.S. lead the world in humanitarianism, by taking the billions in war funds to give food, water, clothing and shelter to the world. Moderate life-style countries are not attacked by “terrorists.” Only a person from a non-materially powerful tribe would be credible. This would exclude Christians, Muslims and Jews. If there is such a thing as Karma, what could be more karmically correct that loving the country or “give it back.” Please read Howard Zinn’s 2007 book “A POWER governments cannot suppress.” The power he talks about is “the truth.” Anyone who still believes the democrats are any better than the republicans will see the fallacy in that thinking with many good examples such as the eight years of Clinton-Gore which escalated the war on the poor and downtrodden, both in the U.S. and the world, with bombing in Afganistan, Sudan, Star Wars antimissile program, Waco, the Effective Death Penalty Act etc. We can have no democracy if there is private ownership of natural rescources including land and oil. This was the philosophy of Native Americans who never heard of Plato and the “anti-artist” (except for himself) phlosopher kings we have been using as a model for the past 2,400 years, and 5,600 years before that, when the sky god with horse chariot and iron philosophized that “might is right,” and only looked at the “good life,” side of the picture. People always say, “the older i get the less i know,” but it just seems to be another clever saying that no one really believes. The herd is too easily herded.

  15. We’ve already had a Native American Vice-President, I can’t see that it would be much of a stretch to have a President. Muslims, however, are the Catholics of a couple of generations ago. Too much ignorance surrounds their religion in the minds of too many of our population.

  16. I’m not sure why you’re taking a personal crack at me, fred, when you throw back the “good life” and the “older I get, the less I know” line — but it points out you really don’t consider views other than your own and those of Howard Zinn — who you irrationally pimp here as often as you can.
    http://urbansemiotic.com/2007/01/27/the-longer-i-live-the-less-i-know/
    http://urbansemiotic.com/?s=nebraska+good+life
    Please take your axes and grind them elsewhere.

  17. Hi Joe —
    I’m not talking about drops of blood or general historic connections. I’m talking about full-blooded Native Americans living on reservations and fully observant Muslims.

  20. My first instinct was to say Native American, because they are so much more familiar to us. Also, Americans love people who have ‘pulled themselves up by their bootstraps’ so in a way, an Indian living in a reservation would actually have a good PR position. Obviously, the Native American would have to have already made himself very rich, or be fairly high in politics.
    I was also wondering whether the Native American in question follows his/her tribal religion or has converted to Christianity? This is pretty important, because a Christian is going to beat a non Christian in the US every time.
    If the Native American follows the tribal religion, than I think that the US would be more prepared to accept a Muslim in some ways. For all the ignorance Americans show towards Islam, it is still more similar, and understandable than I think Native American tribal culture is. Still, in the current political climate, a Native American has a much better chance than a Muslim.
    I have to disagree that Christianity is no longer important in voting decisions. Not everyone is part of the religious right, but the majority of people are still raised in religious households at the very least. (Religious, as in going to Sunday School or services) People may be more concerned with economics, but because nobody can truly predict that, a lot of what people think is going to help them economically is based on underlying emotional reasoning. A non-Christian President would make a lot of people uncomfortable with out many of them even realizing really why. They would probably find something in his policies to claim as their reason for not supporting him.
    Anyway, I think that a Native American has a better chance because they are more familiar and less associated with terrorism than Muslims are.

  21. My first instinct was to say Native American, because they are so much more familiar to us. Also, Americans love people who have ‘pulled themselves up by their bootstraps’ so in a way, an Indian living in a reservation would actually have a good PR position. Obviously, the Native American would have to have already made himself very rich, or be fairly high in politics.
    I was also wondering whether the Native American in question follows his/her tribal religion or has converted to Christianity? This is pretty important, because a Christian is going to beat a non Christian in the US every time.
    If the Native American follows the tribal religion, than I think that the US would be more prepared to accept a Muslim in some ways. For all the ignorance Americans show towards Islam, it is still more similar, and understandable than I think Native American tribal culture is. Still, in the current political climate, a Native American has a much better chance than a Muslim.
    I have to disagree that Christianity is no longer important in voting decisions. Not everyone is part of the religious right, but the majority of people are still raised in religious households at the very least. (Religious, as in going to Sunday School or services) People may be more concerned with economics, but because nobody can truly predict that, a lot of what people think is going to help them economically is based on underlying emotional reasoning. A non-Christian President would make a lot of people uncomfortable with out many of them even realizing really why. They would probably find something in his policies to claim as their reason for not supporting him.
    Anyway, I think that a Native American has a better chance because they are more familiar and less associated with terrorism than Muslims are.

  22. I really love your analysis, Stacy, and welcome to Urban Semiotic!
    You really wrestled with the idea in a grand way, and I thank you for that grand effort!
    It was terrific to see you bob one way, weave another and then choose another path entirely. That is the sign of a great mind and a supreme intellect. You were fair to all angles you could imagine.
    I think a Native American, in full ceremonial war regalia, will beat any Muslim any time any place in any sort of American election now and forever — because Native Americans are familiar even though they are disenfranchised — while Muslims will always be seen by the majority of Americans as “foreigners” who “don’t belong here” and certainly not in the White House making world policy decisions and that thinking is to our ultimate national detriment.

  23. I really love your analysis, Stacy, and welcome to Urban Semiotic!
    You really wrestled with the idea in a grand way, and I thank you for that grand effort!
    It was terrific to see you bob one way, weave another and then choose another path entirely. That is the sign of a great mind and a supreme intellect. You were fair to all angles you could imagine.
    I think a Native American, in full ceremonial war regalia, will beat any Muslim any time any place in any sort of American election now and forever — because Native Americans are familiar even though they are disenfranchised — while Muslims will always be seen by the majority of Americans as “foreigners” who “don’t belong here” and certainly not in the White House making world policy decisions and that thinking is to our ultimate national detriment.

  24. As a Canadian I can really only comment on my impressions of the US as a nation – not as intimately as a native. That said, I feel we North Americans, despite the recognition of difference between Native Americans and The Rest of Us, tend toward a certain level of xenophobia when it comes to choosing those who speak for us – I have to side with seeing a Native American in office before a Muslim.
    That will likely be a long time coming, though. Native American values fall short of the mindset required to for North American capital P politics in so many ways; less government is better government. Capitalism tends to take the backseat to make way for community. Economy is based in the land that is lived on.
    I don’t think any Native American up to the challenge of running for office is blind to the differences or unwilling to adapt to the accepted political rhetoric, that acclimatisation has been ongoing for centuries, whereas a Muslim might go into it in more reactionary ways – the act of running for office itself it likely to be seen as a reaction.

  25. As a Canadian I can really only comment on my impressions of the US as a nation – not as intimately as a native. That said, I feel we North Americans, despite the recognition of difference between Native Americans and The Rest of Us, tend toward a certain level of xenophobia when it comes to choosing those who speak for us – I have to side with seeing a Native American in office before a Muslim.
    That will likely be a long time coming, though. Native American values fall short of the mindset required to for North American capital P politics in so many ways; less government is better government. Capitalism tends to take the backseat to make way for community. Economy is based in the land that is lived on.
    I don’t think any Native American up to the challenge of running for office is blind to the differences or unwilling to adapt to the accepted political rhetoric, that acclimatisation has been ongoing for centuries, whereas a Muslim might go into it in more reactionary ways – the act of running for office itself it likely to be seen as a reaction.

  26. My guess is Muslim. There are many Muslims who are about as religious as the nominal believers of most other religions; and there are also many that are devout, but tolerant of other faiths (again, like most other major religions). Meaning people may surprisingly quickly come to believe Islam as a whole is less threatening than they may have at one time thought. There is a growing number of Muslims in the US (one estimate of around 5 million, and growing at a rate of 25% per year), outnumbering Native Americans (less than 3 million). In a democracy, that equals more votes. Although there no doubt is still a lot of misunderstanding about Muslims, some of the walls are coming down, due in part to the US involvement in Iraq, (politics, you know), and there is an extremely strong push in this country for religious tolerance. It’s in the constitution, after all…
    But, that’s just a guess. At this point in time, although a Native American would likely not face as many hurdles as a Muslim (or at least not all the same ones), and though there are politically minded, strong Native American leaders, I don’t know that there are any ‘waiting in the wings’ to be president right now. Though, I could be wrofng…

  27. My guess is Muslim. There are many Muslims who are about as religious as the nominal believers of most other religions; and there are also many that are devout, but tolerant of other faiths (again, like most other major religions). Meaning people may surprisingly quickly come to believe Islam as a whole is less threatening than they may have at one time thought. There is a growing number of Muslims in the US (one estimate of around 5 million, and growing at a rate of 25% per year), outnumbering Native Americans (less than 3 million). In a democracy, that equals more votes. Although there no doubt is still a lot of misunderstanding about Muslims, some of the walls are coming down, due in part to the US involvement in Iraq, (politics, you know), and there is an extremely strong push in this country for religious tolerance. It’s in the constitution, after all…
    But, that’s just a guess. At this point in time, although a Native American would likely not face as many hurdles as a Muslim (or at least not all the same ones), and though there are politically minded, strong Native American leaders, I don’t know that there are any ‘waiting in the wings’ to be president right now. Though, I could be wrofng…

  29. oops, I really should have read ALL the comments and replies, I guess you meant a “fully observant” Muslim, and a “full-blooded” Native American? At what point do you consider a Muslim “fully observant” and a Native American “full blooded”? (You are considered status First Nations at 1/8th in Canada, by the way, don’t know about here) And, having broached the point, at what time does one becomes I fully observant or full-blooded anything, I’d like to know….
    Really must get some Zzzz’s.

  34. Welcome to Urban Semiotic, piratelibrarian, and I appreciate your fine analysis. I think you’re right about the candidacy being a reaction and perhaps not a true reality.

  35. I appreciate your fine analysis, LilyRose!
    As the Muslim population rises in America, so too, will their political and social power grow. I’m sure there are many Americans who live in fear of that ideal, but it could be a good thing in bringing a wider variety of thoughts into the process of what it means to live a good life.

  38. I’d have to say that an Native American would have a better chance than a Muslim because so many more Americans can identify with Native Americans than they can with Muslims.
    Many people claim to have Native American ancestry:

    Native American ancestry is an extremely common family story, and it seems it is always to an Indian princess. The Cherokee, of course, are a large tribe with a diverse culture, divided by the Trail of Tears. They intermarried widely, perhaps increasing the likelihood of Cherokee/white ancestry.
    … Keep in mind that any story that says you have Native American ancestry — often Cherokee — may in itself be a myth. Even though it’s currently an “in” thing to have Native American ancestry, just a few decades ago, it might have been the skeleton in your family’s closet.

    The fact that many Americans want to have family stories including Native American ancestry makes the idea of a Native American president something that would likely be widely accepted.
    The same thing might be true in a few decades for Muslims after the conflict in the Middle East eases. But, as long as there is a hot war, it will be tough for a Muslim to be elected president.
    The proof in this is the story about how both Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama quickly fought against a story that said Hillary’s opposition research folks were sniffing around Indonesia to dig dirt up on Barak Obama and a secular school he attended as a child.

    Yesterday, a spokesman for Mrs. Clinton, Howard Wolfson, said in an e-mail message: “This is a textbook example of how the other side works. A right-wing rag makes up a scurrilous charge and prints it with no real attribution. The smear gets injected into the atmosphere and picked up by talk radio. In this case both Senator Obama and Senator Clinton were victimized.”
    A spokesman for Mr. Obama had previously been quoted in The Washington Post as calling the report “appallingly irresponsible.” …
    CNN’s political director, Sam Feist, said he had seen the Insight report discussed on “Fox and Friends.” Mr. Feist said he wanted to determine the validity of what he said, if true, would be a “holy-cow political story,” so he sent a correspondent, John Vause, to Jakarta from Beijing. Mr. Vause’s report, broadcast Monday on CNN, described the Jakarta school as unaffiliated with Islamic fundamentalism. The school headmaster said it was a “public school” that did not “focus on religion.”

    Emphasis added.
    Would anyone have cared if the report had been that political staffers were talking to folks at the Scared Heart Catholic School or the Trinity Lutheran School?
    Give it a couple of decades and nobody will care.

  39. Hi Chris!
    As ever, I appreciate your thorough vetting of a complexing and confounding issue!
    I agree there are more Americans with Native American roots than Muslim roots.
    Hillary and Barack will eat each other alive, I fear. It’s a sad spectacle to watch. There will be no winner.
    Rudy will also be disparaged as well on the other side.
    I’ve come to believe the two nominees for the presidential race on each side have yet to declare.
    2008 is The Year of the Dark Horse.

  40. Thank you, David, sometimes I’m afraid I talk too much when I comment on things.
    In response to Lilyrose, I think you have a good point, (just on the numbers, if nothing else) but I still think a Native American would have a better chance, both of making it to the top and of being elected. It will take much longer for Muslims to fully be able to integrate into the political system as well. Native American groups have already started out of necessity.
    I was wondering though, if it would even be possible for a Native American to become President. I mean, I think the laws regarding the Presidency would allow it, but since they live on reservations would they be able to become Governor or join the Senate? Most presidents seem to have one of these two things under their belt. If I remember correctly, reservation land is looked at differently than state land. Maybe I’ll look it up, but I should be working on my essay right now anyway…
    About Barack, I really like him, but I think in the end it won’t be his race that will do him in, it will be his name. There are some people that will assume he’s Muslim and won’t be hard enough on terrorism. (I’ve heard this argument on a facebook chat). And unfortunatly a lot of voters won’t look past his name to find out that he is a Christian, or look at his point of view/policies.
    Hilary has a good chance of getting the nomination but a lot of people really dislike her. The Republicans should really just find somebody who nobody knows about but smiles pretty. Rudy doesn’t follow most of the social policies that some Republican voters really want.

  41. Hi Stacy!
    I want you to comment on everything always! You have a lot of interesting things to say!
    I think any Native American who chose to run would want to have a home state first — but your question is interesting. Can someone who has lived all their life on a federally protected Reservation run for president or not? I do not know the answer.
    I agree people are shallow and they look for reasons NOT to vote for someone instead of the other way around. Barack is very likely in trouble for that reason alone as you so rightly suggest.
    Hillary might do well if she doesn’t get bogged down in addressing every faction of the very real Right Wing Conspiracy bubbling against her and her husband since they came to D.C. They know she can’t resist to responding to every jab –- so they’ll distract her with jabs all year long.
    Rudy is getting evangelical support. For now. It won’t last. Someone like Chuck Hagel might be the right Republican for the nomination. He’s heatedly against the war as a war Vet — and he’s just as conservative as Bush on the social issues. He might have just the right mix of medicine and honey to soothe both Democrat and Republican voters.

  42. Thanks for the links.
    I may come across as strong here when it comes to religion and politics but realize that “tone” is missing here so what I say is said with respect. I find many people have a hard time discussing anything without getting heated whereas I am interested to learn as much and all of it as I can.
    I appreciate all religions. And as far as politics, while I’m a Canadian, I’m very concerned about the “types” of leaders anyone chooses for their country and it’s very important everyone is aware of even the simple things that will give insight to the roads ahead.
    If I can back up a bit… I didn’t get a good feeling about G. Bush just prior to him being elected. I swore to my entire family that a war was going to break out if he was elected. Why? It was a sense. Because he didn’t strike me as a man who made friends easily or rather would not want to make friends in some cases and instead I could see the hunger for “power” in his attitudes. There are only so many personality “types” you know. I’m quite certain if we all studied them we might find this world a better place b/c each person would be doing what they were meant to do in life. I recall thinking he came across as childish in many ways compared to the men in position I’d seen over the years. I realize that’s a strong announcement but that’s honestly what I considered at the time. I have nothing against him personally for I don’t even know him, I just didn’t think he was a person who should be in a position that demands a lot of a person who can promote peace.
    If you look at the Dalai Lama or even someone such as David Suzuki from Canada, they are people who promote a peace and instill that by the way they “teach.” Simply the way we “live” is not enough. It’s what can we teach? That is the harder self-discipline. They’ve been doing it their entire lives. I’ve yet to learn anything from Bush. But I also don’t give as much attention as I do the Dalai Lama or D. Suzuki.
    As far as Muslims, I think it’s reasonable to say that it’s going to take a long time before they are trusted and I would hope they would understand that as I certainly would if I were from a country or heated religion of so much war. I would not expect my neighbour, if I should have hurt anyone or whatever the case may be, to trust me. The trust would have to remain between God and I and the rest is up to me to ensure I continue to live a good and caring life. All they can do is continue moving forward with the peace they want everyone to see is what they truly stand for. Many people in society have to do that in life anyway. I do not believe in giving trust until they have proven themselves. Anything else is naive. Sure I’ve had my thoughts about them… sometimes I become concerned and I think of the Trojan Horse story and what is here for children of the future? We’ve already lost so much in Canada, such as our Lord’s Prayer, etc b/c of other’s not happy with it. I think we have sacrificed so much as all have. I don’t think anyone should be taking anyone’s religion away from them. Period. I’m not saying they have. But things have certainly changed.
    As far as Natives, someone mentioned above of the gangs, etc. I know it’s a matter of being in a place where some of them have received no respect. After a time that can wear a person down. They have so many things to offer as far as I’m concerned. Perhaps they haven’t heard it enough. I love the culture, the history, the music, the messages, the wisdom. The “spirit.” They have been in court for a very long time regarding what truly belongs to them. There’s a book all about that called The American Empire and the Fourth World: The Bowl With One Spoon and very interesting.
    So yes, a Native American I would choose. A history where they’ve been known as genuine and fair traders. Yet still, they’ve lost a lot. But that can naturally happen when you aren’t used to dealing with crooks who think only of themselves.
    If a Native American were to become President what do you think they’d do? I certainly don’t see them out there to take anything from anyone at all. Certainly not stripping me of my religion or birthrights.

  44. Thanks for the fascinating and deep comment, ascreamingwriter!
    I’m not sure if it’s right to tar all Muslims with suspicion because of the dirty deeds of a few misbegotten ideas just in the same way we hope the rest of the world doesn’t paint all Christians as warmongering, fundamentalist, radicals.
    I agree a Native American president would leave us alone to explore and discover our inner peace.

  48. im a chinese singaporean and i think native american. Muslims always provoke and incites and when cornered they lose (they have throughout history). People in europe are killing muslims, you see russia , norway and many european countries are killing muslims. In China uyghur muslim are getting killed in xinjiang province. Muslim involve going backward and in our society today we go forward. I dont think muslim will be president in US not as long as they have Jews there

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